Mistress Lovely Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 “To witness the moment when pain causes a reversion to the pre-language of cries and groans is to witness the destruction of language; but conversely, to be present when a person moves up out of that pre-language and projects the facts of sentience into speech is almost to have been permitted to be present at the birth of language itself.” — Elaine Scarry “The limits of my language means the limits of my world.” — Ludwig Wittgenstein “Attention, taken to its highest degree, is the same thing as prayer. It presupposes faith and love. Absolutely unmixed attention is prayer.” — Simone Weil Quote
franknot Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 On 4/7/2026 at 10:11 PM, Mistress Lovely said: “To witness the moment when pain causes a reversion to the pre-language of cries and groans is to witness the destruction of language; but conversely, to be present when a person moves up out of that pre-language and projects the facts of sentience into speech is almost to have been permitted to be present at the birth of language itself.” — Elaine Scarry Synesthesia By Mistress Lovely Sunday at 02:12 PM in Fortress Guest Forum A huge part of my fascination with impact play is that I experience textures and colors associated with sounds. I also ‘have’ emotions through haptics and proprioception. This means that very subtle acts of dominance can be a sadistic feast. * * * Mistress.. Are you keeping a journal of your findings? Might you be able to collate certain specific sounds and their intensity/decibel level with your unique personal color spectrum and emotional sensations? Perhaps you might then create a language or code that describes how the various combinations of those 3 components can be expressed or transmitted.. and assign a number (Level 6) that would predict/indicate the desired result/effect. I suppose the sounds would also have to be classified by origin such as Human v Inanimate .. The Voice v The Cane The human ones might be called 'body' language .. the inanimate ones 'inspirational' language. Quote
Mistress Lovely Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 20 minutes ago, franknot said: Synesthesia By Mistress Lovely Sunday at 02:12 PM in Fortress Guest Forum A huge part of my fascination with impact play is that I experience textures and colors associated with sounds. I also ‘have’ emotions through haptics and proprioception. This means that very subtle acts of dominance can be a sadistic feast. * * * Mistress.. Are you keeping a journal of your findings? Might you be able to collate certain specific sounds and their intensity/decibel level with your unique personal color spectrum and emotional sensations? Perhaps you might then create a language or code that describes how the various combinations of those 3 components can be expressed or transmitted.. and assign a number (Level 6) that would predict/indicate the desired result/effect. I suppose the sounds would also have to be classified by origin such as Human v Inanimate .. The Voice v The Cane The human ones might be called 'body' language .. the inanimate ones 'inspirational' language. Tell me the optimal angle Of the sun in the sky On the last summer picnic you’ll have with a loved one. Quote
franknot Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 29 minutes ago, Mistress Lovely said: Tell me the optimal angle Of the sun in the sky On the last summer picnic you’ll have with a loved one. Sounds like a 'no' Quote
Mistress Lovely Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 13 minutes ago, franknot said: Sounds like a 'no' I’m being very serious, frank What’s the angle? Quote
franknot Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Mistress Lovely said: I’m being very serious, frank What’s the angle? I have no 'angle'.. sorry to have wandered off the reservation Quote
AioriaRegulus Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 On 4/7/2026 at 10:11 PM, Mistress Lovely said: “To witness the moment when pain causes a reversion to the pre-language of cries and groans is to witness the destruction of language; but conversely, to be present when a person moves up out of that pre-language and projects the facts of sentience into speech is almost to have been permitted to be present at the birth of language itself.” — Elaine Scarry “The limits of my language means the limits of my world.” — Ludwig Wittgenstein “Attention, taken to its highest degree, is the same thing as prayer. It presupposes faith and love. Absolutely unmixed attention is prayer.” — Simone Weil An interesting curation mistress… one that inspired multiple nights of thought. The inclusion of Scarry is especially so… although with deeper reflection, it makes sense. Their emphasis on the knowledge that lies beyond the boundaries of language and what is manifested rather than stated make sense. The importance they give to disciplined attention (importance that is akin to the divine) can capture those manifestations, enabling one to discover the most important moral realities as a result. In this I see the potential and importance of a Domme/sub dynamic for self growth for both Domme and sub. Quote
GentlemanRoleplayer Posted April 12 Report Posted April 12 11 hours ago, adamzzzz said: I am too dumb to understand this... Two ways to looks at it from my perspective. The logical and the ethereal (spiritual). If you want to spend as much time as possible "On the last summer picnic you’ll have with a loved one", logically you'd like to make the moment last as long as possible. So the "optimal angle" of the sun is the one which extends every delicious second of time you may have left in the day. Ideally on the Summer Solstice. But life is not always logical. Some things cannot be plotted out on a course. They can't be touched. Feelings, emotions, sensations, memories. So the entire post may have been making a point that there is no "optimal angle of the sun", just like you can't "create a language or code" to capture what happens to you when experiencing synesthesia. It's ethereal, maybe even spiritual. Or I could be completely wrong, lol. Quote
Mistress Lovely Posted April 12 Author Report Posted April 12 15 hours ago, GentlemanRoleplayer said: Two ways to looks at it from my perspective. The logical and the ethereal (spiritual). If you want to spend as much time as possible "On the last summer picnic you’ll have with a loved one", logically you'd like to make the moment last as long as possible. So the "optimal angle" of the sun is the one which extends every delicious second of time you may have left in the day. Ideally on the Summer Solstice. But life is not always logical. Some things cannot be plotted out on a course. They can't be touched. Feelings, emotions, sensations, memories. So the entire post may have been making a point that there is no "optimal angle of the sun", just like you can't "create a language or code" to capture what happens to you when experiencing synesthesia. It's ethereal, maybe even spiritual. Or I could be completely wrong, lol. A very gold star for you ⭐️ What might lengthening a precious moment do, or fail to do? On 4/10/2026 at 1:32 PM, franknot said: Perhaps you might then create a language or code that describes how the various combinations of those 3 components can be expressed or transmitted.. and assign a number (Level 6) that would predict/indicate the desired result/effect. Approaching sensory experience as mere data makes any human involved interchangeable. It removes the person from personal connection. Is the desired result of a painting to mimic a photograph? There’s multiple right answers, but all reveal something more. 23 hours ago, AioriaRegulus said: The inclusion of Scarry is especially so… although with deeper reflection, it makes sense. Their emphasis on the knowledge that lies beyond the boundaries of language and what is manifested rather than stated make sense. The importance they give to disciplined attention (importance that is akin to the divine) can capture those manifestations, enabling one to discover the most important moral realities as a result. Yes. Sensation as an interface to realities that are deeper than words… an intriguing line of thought. Can you ever be fully within a moment, and describing it at the same time? Quote
AioriaRegulus Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 10 hours ago, Mistress Lovely said: Yes. Sensation as an interface to realities that are deeper than words… an intriguing line of thought. Can you ever be fully within a moment, and describing it at the same time? No. Even when those moments are centered on words themselves (the reading of a poem for instance), to describe one’s sensation at the time of the moment requires the person to remove themselves from the moment and take on the role of an observer. Thus do I think these 3 pose an interesting point, in their own respective way… to be fully in a moment and share what it’s like, one must look beyond the spoken word with deliberately paid attention. What is beyond the veil of the word is then sensation. Quote
franknot Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 20 hours ago, Mistress Lovely said: On 4/10/2026 at 1:32 PM, franknot said: Perhaps you might then create a language or code that describes how the various combinations of those 3 components can be expressed or transmitted.. and assign a number (Level 6) that would predict/indicate the desired result/effect. Approaching sensory experience as mere data makes any human involved interchangeable. It removes the person from personal connection. Is the desired result of a painting to mimic a photograph? There’s multiple right answers, but all reveal something more. Mistress.. (just recieved the finger puppets but this was ready to go.. so i'm hitting submit) My curiosity was inspired by those two posts and your "Thwip" photo.. All focused on the mindset of the "Pain Giver" versus the "Pain Receiver"—a masochist seeking to better understand the sadist. But by overlooking my first two questions, the context of my thoughts is altered. I had asked if you are keeping "a journal" of your findings and if you are able to collate specific sounds and intensities "with your unique color spectrum and emotional sensations". Therein lies the difference between 'Z' and 'Boomer' For me, a journal ..(diary?).. is a dated, private record of feelings and impressions for personal reference/remembrance. For you, it seems to be viewed as a spreadsheet, "mere data" to be exhibited.. For whatever reason, you made the decision to "remove the person from personal connection" .. and become a language for the masses. What I had hoped to discuss was if it could somehow become an internal "Lovely Speak" code to describe and reference your own sensations and emotions? e.g. ..Is your "Level 6" strike a mere firecracker or a full fireworks display?.. Is your intention to deliver a fuzzy yellow #6 or a bright orange #8, ..and can you consistently deliver that specific color and intensity to establish a chosen level of discipline/dominance? .. And a simple "NO" is perfectly acceptable. Quote
Mistress Lovely Posted April 13 Author Report Posted April 13 32 minutes ago, franknot said: Mistress.. (just recieved the finger puppets but this was ready to go.. so i'm hitting submit) My curiosity was inspired by those two posts and your "Thwip" photo.. All focused on the mindset of the "Pain Giver" versus the "Pain Receiver"—a masochist seeking to better understand the sadist. But by overlooking my first two questions, the context of my thoughts is altered. I had asked if you are keeping "a journal" of your findings and if you are able to collate specific sounds and intensities "with your unique color spectrum and emotional sensations". Therein lies the difference between 'Z' and 'Boomer' For me, a journal ..(diary?).. is a dated, private record of feelings and impressions for personal reference/remembrance. For you, it seems to be viewed as a spreadsheet, "mere data" to be exhibited.. For whatever reason, you made the decision to "remove the person from personal connection" .. and become a language for the masses. What I had hoped to discuss was if it could somehow become an internal "Lovely Speak" code to describe and reference your own sensations and emotions? e.g. ..Is your "Level 6" strike a mere firecracker or a full fireworks display?.. Is your intention to deliver a fuzzy yellow #6 or a bright orange #8, ..and can you consistently deliver that specific color and intensity to establish a chosen level of discipline/dominance? .. And a simple "NO" is perfectly acceptable. As Gen Z, I have actually never written a word in my life! I really think that finger puppets would help me understand better what journals are though. It sounds like you’re making a suggestion about something I should do. Is that what curiosity means? 11 hours ago, AioriaRegulus said: No. Even when those moments are centered on words themselves (the reading of a poem for instance), to describe one’s sensation at the time of the moment requires the person to remove themselves from the moment and take on the role of an observer. Thus do I think these 3 pose an interesting point, in their own respective way… to be fully in a moment and share what it’s like, one must look beyond the spoken word with deliberately paid attention. What is beyond the veil of the word is then sensation. Beautiful tie in. I wonder what this would mean about the quality of attention someone has available if they are internally cataloguing the experience to say, keep records… let alone optimizing it for specific “outcomes.” Quote
GentlemanRoleplayer Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Mistress Lovely said: A very gold star for you ⭐️ Yay! Thank you for the gold star. It's fun being a contestant on Wheel of Fortress! Quote What might lengthening a precious moment do, or fail to do? Can I buy a vowel, lol? Well, if a moment is stretched too long it might no longer be precious. Scarcity often breeds desire and/or yearning. Or at least nostalgia. Too much of a good thing can lead to failure. Like overloading a recipe with excessive salt or sugar. It's kind of like watching the start of a funny skit on SNL...and they don't know when to end. It goes on and on. Until it's no longer funny. On a similar topic of "precious moments" or encounters, this reminds me of the movie "Before Sunrise". Can you fall in love in less than a day? Stumble upon your 'soulmate' by chance while traveling? And if so, do you risk upending your life to pursue that (potential) love? No spoilers...watch the film. It's a 90's classic. Quote
franknot Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 55 minutes ago, Mistress Lovely said: As Gen Z, I have actually never written a word in my life! I really think that finger puppets would help me understand better what journals are though. It sounds like you’re making a suggestion about something I should do. Is that what curiosity means? Beautiful tie in. I wonder what this would mean about the quality of attention someone has available if they are internally cataloguing the experience to say, keep records… let alone optimizing it for specific “outcomes.” Mistress .. Journals are a type of tool old people use to recall all the stuff they are destined to forget.. similar to using a stick to get tasty ants out of an old log. Please forgive me for ageing you.. but in Boomer-ese "Z" is a general term for all young people and "curiosity" reflects the unexplained ancient sense of bewilderment towards what those young people might be thinking.. especially about "us" Also,.. I would never utter the words "you should" when addressing You.. I would ask permission to possibly, maybe,wonder if you "would perhaps ponder" something. * as for the 'tie-in' .. my head hurts. * gotta go.. time for my nap. Quote
AioriaRegulus Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 12 hours ago, Mistress Lovely said: Beautiful tie in. I wonder what this would mean about the quality of attention someone has available if they are internally cataloguing the experience to say, keep records… let alone optimizing it for specific “outcomes.” Thank you for the comment Mistress. This sub is elated. I think Mistress hit upon the crux of what it truly means to have quality attention to the level of what the authors had in mind. To pay deliberate attention, one must not act deliberate. Let go of the notion to catalogue or optimize something. Submit to the river’s current and trust where it takes you. Only then can you truly have quality attention and share that experience to the fullest extent with the observer. Quote
Mistress Lovely Posted April 14 Author Report Posted April 14 23 hours ago, franknot said: Mistress .. Journals are a type of tool old people use to recall all the stuff they are destined to forget.. similar to using a stick to get tasty ants out of an old log. Please forgive me for ageing you.. but in Boomer-ese "Z" is a general term for all young people and "curiosity" reflects the unexplained ancient sense of bewilderment towards what those young people might be thinking.. especially about "us" Also,.. I would never utter the words "you should" when addressing You.. I would ask permission to possibly, maybe,wonder if you "would perhaps ponder" something. * as for the 'tie-in' .. my head hurts. * gotta go.. time for my nap. I’ve noticed that when I share something, you tend to produce something in response- a system, a completion, a project. As though my work is an open brief. What do you think you’re reaching for with that? Quote
Mistress Lovely Posted April 14 Author Report Posted April 14 12 hours ago, AioriaRegulus said: Thank you for the comment Mistress. This sub is elated. I think Mistress hit upon the crux of what it truly means to have quality attention to the level of what the authors had in mind. To pay deliberate attention, one must not act deliberate. Let go of the notion to catalogue or optimize something. Submit to the river’s current and trust where it takes you. Only then can you truly have quality attention and share that experience to the fullest extent with the observer. Meaning-making and internal observation are- at their heart- a form of control. The narrator is the last to kneel. The final dissolve is not internal silence, but the disappearance of the one noticing that silence. The ability to surrender even that need opens up very deep submission. Quote
AioriaRegulus Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 11 hours ago, Mistress Lovely said: Meaning-making and internal observation are- at their heart- a form of control. The narrator is the last to kneel. The final dissolve is not internal silence, but the disappearance of the one noticing that silence. The ability to surrender even that need opens up very deep submission. I believe that to be spot on Mistress. A carefully curated selection of authors that spurs discourse discovering a deeper understanding of submission. Thank you Mistress. Quote
franknot Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 20 hours ago, Mistress Lovely said: I’ve noticed that when I share something, you tend to produce something in response- a system, a completion, a project. As though my work is an open brief. What do you think you’re reaching for with that? Mistress.. I hadn't realized I was doing that. And, yes I'm obviously 'reaching' for something.. but just not sure how to ask properly... Could it be some kind of unconscious avoidance.. or deflection?.. You must know how intimidating you can be.. At times 'frightening' ! Everything you share, regardless of the content, is a puzzle waiting to be decoded.. or perhaps a clever trap ?!? .. If you were to mention a 'tree' I would see a wilderness to get lost in.. Your thoughts are a hurricane .. my mind a candle. * * * You mention 'Your work' ..but that's an enigma to me since I am the puppet on your finger. Then it gets a bit spooky when this morning the Universe sends me what might be your answer.. disguised as a substack from a Domme who writes a daily advice post.. Here is a quote ** ** "What I am doing is not a project. It isn’t something temporary or something I picked up to pass the time. It isn’t something I intend to put down once I’ve reached a certain point. "It isn’t a scrapbooking project." "This is sustained work. It is daily writing, research, reflection, and the ongoing development of ideas over time, built with intention and consistency." Quote
Mistress Lovely Posted April 17 Author Report Posted April 17 On 4/15/2026 at 1:20 AM, AioriaRegulus said: I believe that to be spot on Mistress. A carefully curated selection of authors that spurs discourse discovering a deeper understanding of submission. Thank you Mistress. You’ve discovered one of the things I was gesturing towards, yes. Quote
lionheart Posted May 3 Report Posted May 3 Wonderful collection. If I may, please indulge me in sharing a few additional lines: “Attention is the rarest and purest form of generosity.” -- Simone Weil “Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.” -- Immanuel Kant “It seems to me that whereas power usually means power-over—the power of some person or group over some other person or group—it is possible to develop the conception of power-with: a jointly developed power, a co-active, not a coercive power.” -- Mary Parker Follett “The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.” -- Carl Jung “Daring to set boundaries is about having the courage to love ourselves, even when we risk disappointing others.” -- Brené Brown I hope these contribute meaningfully and align with the spirit. Quote
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